Comments on: The proverbial lion that is the outsource chain http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:42:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Gregorio Cote http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-31422 Gregorio Cote Mon, 08 Aug 2011 22:00:05 +0000 http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-31422 Hey there, You have done a great job. I’ll definitely digg it and personally suggest to my friends. I am confident they will be benefited from this website. Hey there, You have done a great job. I’ll definitely digg it and personally suggest to my friends. I am confident they will be benefited from this website.

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]]> By: Christopher Mills http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-25044 Christopher Mills Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:40:24 +0000 http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-25044 It's so interesting to look back at this post and see how things have changed in terms of my opinion! :) It’s so interesting to look back at this post and see how things have changed in terms of my opinion! :)

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]]> By: Writing for Tech Leader has been fun thus far | iMod http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24541 Writing for Tech Leader has been fun thus far | iMod Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:15:24 +0000 http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24541 [...] The proverbial lion that is the outsource chain - This article raced up to the most read article on Tech Leader ever and received close on 30 [...] […] The proverbial lion that is the outsource chain - This article raced up to the most read article on Tech Leader ever and received close on 30 […]

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]]> By: Christopher Mills http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24210 Christopher Mills Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:14:49 +0000 http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24210 Ah, looks like some interesting comments are flowing in. Ross, I love your comment: "Maybe if it was a tweet" ~ Had a good chuckle over that! @Dom - See, one thing, which I aimed for, was to create a topic to open discussion, it wasn't to write a read-and-move-on post, like so many are, I wanted it fairly broad and open, which is clearly what I acheived.. Ah, looks like some interesting comments are flowing in. Ross, I love your comment: “Maybe if it was a tweet” ~ Had a good chuckle over that!

@Dom - See, one thing, which I aimed for, was to create a topic to open discussion, it wasn’t to write a read-and-move-on post, like so many are, I wanted it fairly broad and open, which is clearly what I acheived..

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]]> By: Ross http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24209 Ross Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:04:41 +0000 http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24209 Maybe if it was a tweet. Chris goes on to explain things rather than just state them. Your summary, while accurate, is just a blurt to someone that doesn't know why long outsourcing chains are a problem. Maybe if it was a tweet.

Chris goes on to explain things rather than just state them.

Your summary, while accurate, is just a blurt to someone that doesn’t know why long outsourcing chains are a problem.

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]]> By: Dominic White http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24208 Dominic White Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:54:44 +0000 http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24208 Could this entire entry not have been rewritten as: "Excessive outsouring may impact on South Africa's reputation and ability to deliver low cost tech skills in an increasingly globalised world." If it's saying anything more than this, I'm struggling to see it. Could this entire entry not have been rewritten as: “Excessive outsouring may impact on South Africa’s reputation and ability to deliver low cost tech skills in an increasingly globalised world.”

If it’s saying anything more than this, I’m struggling to see it.

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]]> By: Ross http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24191 Ross Fri, 30 May 2008 17:53:27 +0000 http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24191 Being on both sides at times, I treat the situation as follows: If I am asked to do something I have no knowledge about, I will pass the client onto someone I know that can do it properly. I'll then leave it to the referred party to choose to give me a finder fee or not. This depends on the industry, the numbers we're talking etc. I'm not going to blink over no comm. on a R1,000 job. If the referred party makes R100,000, I suppose something would be nice. Else I might find someone else next time :) When I am approached to do a job for someone who is being outsourced to by someone else who is outsourcing to them (repeat as necessary), I normally decline politely, unless there is a good reason for this. Especially if the person has no clue about what it is that I do, and even worse, if they won't allow me to communicate directly with the decision maker. Outsourcing can be messy, and the greedy middle men need to be exposed for what they are. I have no problem with agencies, as they tend to specialise in what they outsource/resell, so as with most things, it's not black and white, but rather shades of grey. My 2c. Being on both sides at times, I treat the situation as follows:

If I am asked to do something I have no knowledge about, I will pass the client onto someone I know that can do it properly. I’ll then leave it to the referred party to choose to give me a finder fee or not. This depends on the industry, the numbers we’re talking etc. I’m not going to blink over no comm. on a R1,000 job. If the referred party makes R100,000, I suppose something would be nice. Else I might find someone else next time :)

When I am approached to do a job for someone who is being outsourced to by someone else who is outsourcing to them (repeat as necessary), I normally decline politely, unless there is a good reason for this. Especially if the person has no clue about what it is that I do, and even worse, if they won’t allow me to communicate directly with the decision maker.

Outsourcing can be messy, and the greedy middle men need to be exposed for what they are. I have no problem with agencies, as they tend to specialise in what they outsource/resell, so as with most things, it’s not black and white, but rather shades of grey.

My 2c.

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]]> By: Christopher Mills http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24162 Christopher Mills Sat, 24 May 2008 13:38:57 +0000 http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24162 geejay, sounds like you actually do agree with what I am saying? Yes, I think that successful careers in IT will be driven by offshore ventures in terms of out sourcing. Interesting, sounds as though you've spent a lot of time looking into all of this and this is the exact thing I was hoping someone would comment about :) geejay, sounds like you actually do agree with what I am saying? Yes, I think that successful careers in IT will be driven by offshore ventures in terms of out sourcing.

Interesting, sounds as though you’ve spent a lot of time looking into all of this and this is the exact thing I was hoping someone would comment about :)

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]]> By: geejay http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24159 geejay Fri, 23 May 2008 23:47:07 +0000 http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24159 Christopher around 10 years ago I thought the same thing. However that has not proven to be the case.The worrying condition in Southern Africa is the brain drain within IT. So I am more relieved by India offering outsouced services than threatened. Point is though that if the trend continues those who wish to stay in SA and have a career in IT are going to have to compete with offshore skills. SA had a great opportunity at providing outsourced call centres and BPO, for a while I was really encouraged by this trend but I know of at least a half a dozen large international orgs who have chosen India over SA as a result of South Africa's labour policies and BEE ownership. In most of these cases they were prepared to work within our labour law but they were not prepared to indulge black/local ownership. Christopher around 10 years ago I thought the same thing. However that has not proven to be the case.The worrying condition in Southern Africa is the brain drain within IT. So I am more relieved by India offering outsouced services than threatened. Point is though that if the trend continues those who wish to stay in SA and have a career in IT are going to have to compete with offshore skills.

SA had a great opportunity at providing outsourced call centres and BPO, for a while I was really encouraged by this trend but I know of at least a half a dozen large international orgs who have chosen India over SA as a result of South Africa’s labour policies and BEE ownership.
In most of these cases they were prepared to work within our labour law but they were not prepared to indulge black/local ownership.

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]]> By: Christopher Mills http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24147 Christopher Mills Fri, 23 May 2008 08:52:16 +0000 http://www.techleader.co.za/christophermills/2008/05/22/the-proverbial-lion-that-is-the-outsource-chain/#comment-24147 Totally, hopefully some other people will come in and shed their opinions, that would make things interesting! Totally, hopefully some other people will come in and shed their opinions, that would make things interesting!

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