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I’ve often commented on the vacuous nature of social media. Echo chambers and shallow content — its like “small talk” on a volume never before experienced. Why, just yesterday a friend of mine and I did a little experiment to attract attention on FaceBook by commenting on a status update. Sure enough, four or five people got pulled into one of the biggest pieces of content drivel I’ve ever added to the interweb. And those kinds of interactions are happening more and more.

The world is finding its online voice and there’s just too much noise.

So I’m glad to see that the top marketing geeks over in the US are predicting that quality and measurement of the Social Conversation are going to be paramount for 2009. I’m concerned to see that the clever chaps from ReadWriteWeb don’t hold out much hope though! Relevant excerpt below:

# Measuring the success of social networks

“Implement listening programmes through social media to get real time authentic knowledge that is actionable … Measure with customer service metrics like retention/ satisfaction & social metrics like engagement.” — Rohit Bhargava, Ogilvy

“Slowly but surely, we’re going to develop a set of better metrics to help guide, direct and validate “commitment”-based marketing and yes, Mr Kim … they will extend beyond the rather short-term, blunt metric called ROI”. — Joseph Jaffe, Crayon

Our take: good luck with that, we’re not optimistic. This is soft stuff and though clear success speaks for itself, all the gradations between success and failure are going to be very hard to quantify.

# Quality vs Quantity in Social Media

“I believe we’ll have more focused velvet-rope social networks in 2009 where the tools and the goals match verticals of interest instead of the general commons of Facebook.” — Chris Brogan, New Marketing Labs

“Exclusivity trumps accessibility. Having thousands of friends becomes ‘so 2008’ and defriending becomes the hot new trend, driven by overwhelming rivers of newsfeeds.” — Charlene Li, Altimeter Group

Our take: maybe, for some people and in some circumstances this will be the case. We expect most people to find a middle ground between the whole sale slow-down that some seem to expect and an evolutionary adjustment to vastly increased data input.

Interesting stuff.




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8 Responses to “Measuring the social conversation? More important than ever …”

Interesting to see how people are adjusting their websites to tap into the relevant aspects of these conversations - have a look at this for instance - http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1476-ui-design-a-peek-at-extra-extra-an-internal-37signals-app - nice way to put (real) buzz on your site.

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alan on December 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

Is this just another way for alpha-social-media-spurts to up their readership? The best way to do this is as old as the hills, be selective and ignore the rest.
Measuring successful social interactions on the web and placing value / rating to these to only bubble out those with “meaning” would indicate a higher degree of preference (through volumes) rather than genuine context.
How do you assess a good “conversation”?

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Shane on December 22nd, 2008 at 3:09 pm

@Alan Yes, very interesting. I’d say it looks like a Google search results feed / Google news feed with the ability to moderate what shows and what doesn’t. Quite a nice way of “showing” what the conversation is. But asides from providing you with a count of relevant conversations (something ORM - Online Reputation Management - also does fairly well) it doesn’t help us get closer to measuring the quality of the conversation. Check out Google Gadgets - they’ve got some pretty funky versions of what you linked here…

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Andy Hadfield on December 24th, 2008 at 7:03 am

@Shane Slightly cynical, but I get your point. Where we do agree is that “social media” (hate the bloody buzzword) will always mimic real life. Clever, charismatic and intelligent people will garner more following. Shallow, vacuous people will lose following.

I think where we’re trying to go is more Quality than Quantity, as some of those quotes are saying.

How do you measure this? Well now, solve that and you’ll make some serious cash in 2009. In SA, I think businesses are still going through the hype cycle, creating online communities and patiently responding (or not responding at all!) to every piece of communication, no matter how inane. The minute an ROI measurement comes into that, they’re going to need to find ways to drive VALUE based conversation.

To measure, to measure, to measure… A sign of how this might happen, although it is VERY early in terms of development is http://twistori.com/ - The service tracks the words LOVE, HATE, THINK, BELIEVE, FEEL, WISH on Twitter. Starting to try and attach emotional context to the ridiculous stream of data Twitter produces.

The same could start happening for business. A measurable, rated feed of data where search = “YourBusinessName +love” or “YourBusinessName +efficient”… etc etc.

Early days though…

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Andy Hadfield on December 24th, 2008 at 7:12 am

Measurement online is a massive challenge because translating online activity into offline activity (purchases, votes, attendance) is often not in the hands of the social marketer. Its similar to the measurement issue PR has. We talk about number of people who read/ watched/ listened but its hard to link it to the people who actually did something after reading. when it does well the sales people generally claim the glory. when it goes badly, the PR/ social media experts get the blame.
welcome to the world of hazy stretch goals and pie charts :)

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Sarah on January 6th, 2009 at 11:56 am

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DONOTVISIT on January 7th, 2009 at 1:19 am

@DONOTVISIT Thanks for that.

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Andy Hadfield on January 7th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

@Sarah Yup, nail on head. However, online advertising survived and flourished because they found a scientific way of measuring return. PR and Social Media have large overlaps and need to find similar measurement methods or they’ll always remain “in the fog”…

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Andy Hadfield on January 7th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

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Andy Hadfield is a digital native (can’t remember life without the Internet) and is fascinated with the impact it is having on our lives and businesses. An entertaining and compelling personality, Andy speaks with authority and insight about the new shape of life, work and play in the digital world.

Importantly though, he’s not a “techie”! Andy understands the hard realities of business, and delivers pragmatic, realistic lessons from the future, which every business will find valuable. His intensive front-line experience underpins these viewpoints.

He has played in every corner of the digital industry, launching his first startup at age 19 - getALife (gAL) was a social network before the word was even invented. The site was a political and community mouthpiece for South African students between 1997 and 2005 and was covered on every major media platform, including Time Magazine. It also has the dubious honour of being sued by Robert Mugabe.

He then spent the next 7 years honing his strategic skills across a range of industries, including finance, professional services, construction and media. With The Virtual Works, this included building the digital platform that underpins “The Deloitte Way”, a real time strategic assessment, staff engagement and reward programme. He was also involved in creating Africa’s first monetised niche social network (www.designmind.co.za) which drives communication and collaboration across the construction industry.

At First National Bank, Andy helped develop a team to manage digital strategy across the consumer banking segment. This included projects such as corporate crowdsourcing, the bank's first official FaceBook presence, a major overhaul of www.fnb.co.za and a world-class “Amazon-style” online sales system for financial products.

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